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  Take a moment and look at it an entirely different way . . .

  by Terry in

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  a transcendant being resides as a glob of cellular matter in a woman's body for nine months stitching together a human without the dna of a male human being.. the being is squeezed out of the vaginal canal of his host/mother and has to poop and piss on himself for a couple of years.

  what is wrong with this picture?.

  the consciousness of the fetus would be what, then?.

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  Adam was an amoeba; a real living creature.

  ‘God?'

  Well show me, explain, prove and define such a monster ever existed.

  Maybe we have better things to do with our time.
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  JW.Org

  by Kool Jo in

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  2. beliefs

  i've been pondering......with this new "push" to direct individuals to thw jw.org website, even when the dubs are out preaching...what do you think the future will be for the preaching work?.

  some time ago i read that the mormons have implemented a live chat feature that allows you to speak with their missionaries....i doubt the borg would do this, but i think they have something up their sleeves.. peace.

  kool jo.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  Outlaw says, "The WBT$ doesn`t Understand the Internet..

  People will Log On to more than just JW.ORG.."

  We seem to be overlooking the FACT that Jehovah's spirit will guide those with the right heart condition to HIS official website.

  This will be confirmed when we see pigs fly.
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  Has a critical mass of exJWs been reached?

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  it took the better part of 15 years but i believe we have finally arrived at that point where there is now a critical mass of former witnesses.. thousands of exjws come together on forums like this one and discuss findings, ideas and research.

  there have been documentaries and even a movie made about life in the jehovah's witnesses.. ex jw websites, online forums, and discussion boards that set the wheels in motion in the early to late 90s have matured into powerful tools of social change within the organization.. the lies and false doctines taught by the watchtower bible & tract society are plainly accessible with just a cursory google search.. active elders leak boe letters, often weeks before they hit the notice board in a kingdom hall.. social media has allowed exjws to connect with those still in as well as those who have left.. the society have no game plan because information is power and they have lost the information war.

  all they can do is cry wolf and warn the rank and file not to listen to apostates.. i don't know what future the society will face in the next ten years, but changing world events, social trends, and reactionary change from headquarters based on their own faulty biblical chronology has got them cornered like a raging animal.. it doesn't look good..

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  Most concerning for the Watchtower Society, is the high number of youths, either leaving or refusing to commit and get baptized. There are many reasons for their reluctance. Many progressive Christian churches now have a big emphasis on catering for children and youths. They are encouraged to join in at a level appropriate to their age. Youth groups, separate study classes, and extra activities are arranged and encouraged. The Society's has always had a policy of expecting children to sit still throughout meetings and pay attention to the adult programme. It is been seen as a test of parents ability to exact obedience from their children. The one size fits all meetings have always been boring for children but today’s children have shorter attention spans than they previous generations. They have been brought up with color television and computer games that offer quick action and excitement. Entertainment on demand is a normal part of life. By the time children become teenagers they expect the meetings to be boring and don’t want to attend.

  Unlike children of years ago, they cannot be forced to comply. Giving a youth a thrashing in the washroom is no longer an option. The rebellion against parental authority that started in the roaring 60’s, has now become an accepted part of teenage behavior. Today’s youths have access to Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and the worldwide web. They can interact with people their own age and swap their experiences. Youths can now look at the whole Watchtower Society scene and read up on its failed prophecies. They are, in many cases, better informed than yesterday's youth.

  Teenagers talk to each other, so they are aware that others are leaving school and pursuing further education. It is no longer such a big deal for a teenager to just say that they are not ready for baptism and will be going to college. Once away from the influence of the Watchtower Society, they rarely return to the fold. A growing number of teenagers, brought up by Witness parents, do not get baptized or go from door-to-door. The congregation simply views them as visitors who sometimes attend with their parents. At meetings they mix with other teenagers, sharing ideas and views. If they choose to date, there is little the elders can do, except have a word with the parents.

  As children get older they face many temptations. The days when young people only stole a kiss in the rear seats of the local cinema, before leaping into a life long commitment of marriage, are long gone. This is a world full of attractive young people, who take it for granted they will have a number of sexual partners before settling down and raising a family; marriage is optional. To become a dedicated, baptized Jehovah's Witness, a young person today has to resist all such temptation.

  There have always been sons and daughters of members who realized they were homosexual/gay. Their only option has been to suppress their sexuality and perhaps devote their lives to the Pioneer service, in the hope that they will be made ‘normal’ in ’the new world.’ They now live in at a time when western society accepts the right of people to be open about their sexuality. If these young people cannot find acceptance within the Watchtower Society, they now have the option of leaving and finding acceptance in society at large.

  Young people are still encouraged to reject the opportunity of college and university. Reality is a stubborn intruder, and as unskilled work becomes harder to obtain, a young person who expects to pay their own way through life has to consider the high rate of unemployment. Finding meaningful employment is becoming more challenging, as the world continues to develop and become increasingly dependent on technology. The Society blame distractions, such as further education, and an active sex life, on Satan the devil and the snares he puts in the way of young people.

  Much of the membership is well along in years. In order for the Society to thrive it must attract young people to join or retain the member’s children. With such a large turnover of adults and the exodus of young people, the momentum that the Society has enjoyed for so many years is slowing. Young people are able to use the worldwide-web and read the experiences of many others who now regret following the Society's education policy. The Watchtower Society's track record is there for all to see. Young people are able to study their history changing teachings. They read of the failed interpretations of prophecies and flip-flopping policies. They can decide for themselves whether the guidance this organization offers can be trusted.

  Could it just be that the Watchtower Society is out of touch with reality? The elderly people that have been the backbone of most congregations for many decades are passing away. Unless the Watchtower Society addresses the changes that are taking place, the exodus of young people will continue. In such a climate many are asking the question - Can Jehovah's Witnesses SURVIVE?

  Taken from: Can Jehovah's Witnesses SURVIVE? by Trevor Willis
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  Do you think not having the book study in private homes has had much effect?

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  it's been a few years since the organization ended the book study arrangement in private homes.. gone was the last opportunity to have tea and biscuits and a natter with the friends afterwards.. do you think people regret losing the book study?

  for some, it may have been the only time they were able to get some "associaton".

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  Despite placing such much importance on attending all meetings for more than a hundred years, the length of meetings has recently been halved. Presumable the membership can now survive on half the spiritual food that was deemed essential before. In addition the group study meeting has also been axed. For most of the Society’s existence an hour long, weekly group study took place in homes of approved members. These group meetings were said to be in preparation for a time of persecution against Jehovah's Witnesses during the coming Great Tribulation. If Kingdom Hall’s were shut down by the authorities, under the direction of Satan, the member were to become an underground movement and meet only in these small secret groups.

  The official reason given for canceling these study groups is that the change allows the membership more free time; also petrol/gasoline is saved. The introduction by town councils of Special Use Permits for homes being used as places of worship is a contributing factor. The new requirement for accident liability insurance in private homes used for worship may also have been a factor. The practice of reading a Bible based text before field ministry has also been stopped, as it could fall foul of these requirements.

  It has been suggested that the society has stopped the group study arrangement in order to centralize control and prevent these smaller groups from developing ideas of their own. In my experience these small groups were less formal than the Kingdom Hall meetings in both style and dress code. Often tea and coffee would be served afterwards, allowing informal conversation to develop where members could share their own ideas with each other and talk more intimately than in a Kingdom Hall. Members of each group met at a home close to their own. The small, intimate local setting allowed for a more liberal discussion than the main meetings. Strong bonds were formed in this more social environment. Each group had its own flavor, depending on the personality and personal views of the elder taking the group.

  In a congregation that I was part of, I recall members attending a more popular group of their own choice instead of the group they had been assigned to. One unpopular elder who held a group at home, found himself with just his wife and children for company. This was a deliberate protest by his group. Strong Arm tactics were used to bully the errant members into returning to their own group. Holding all meetings at the Kingdom Hall with the whole congregation and many elders present, has brought to an end those wandering days and made forming a bond with a particular group more difficult. It has given the elders more control over the congregations. Short of leaving their religion, the only way members can protest at the way a congregation is run, is by upping stakes and moving to a different congregation.

  Groups have been a central part of member’s lives for many decades. Part of the purpose of meeting in small groups was to meet undercover should Witnesses face persecution. The much quoted scripture quoted at the beginning of this chapter urges members to gather together all the more so as they behold the day drawing near. Yet, this previously vital meeting has been cancelled. Many members are wondering why group centers have been abolished when the ‘great tribulation leading to Armageddon’ is believed to be closer than ever.

  Taken from: Can Jehovah's Witnesses Survive? Trevor Willis
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  Might I coin a new phrase?...... (A tribute?)

  by VampireDCLXV in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  farkel.

  verb: to post a terse, witty, unexpected comment on a thread.

  frequently a non-sequitir or personal attack.. example: ellie486 farkeled me on my comment about women.... .

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  Pams girl Nice to see you again. We have missed you.
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  Woody Allen speaks out

  by NewYork44M in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  woody allen wrote a very compelling article in the op-ed of the new york times.. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/opinion/sunday/woody-allen-speaks-out.html?ref=opinion&_r=0.

  have you ever been accused of something you did not do?

  if that happens, what do you do?.

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  Woody Allen and Dylan found happiness together.

  Why is that so hard to understand?
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  Talking with a nonbeliever...

  by suavojr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my search for the truth and the burning desire to become free from all forms of dogma and wishful thinking.

  i have approached my first crossroads in my life, should i continue to believe in a god or not?.

  currently i am leaning toward agnosticism, but all the suffering in the world, all the loss and pain in my own life makes it hard for me to simply let go of the idea and hope that at the end justice will prevail, that one day god can make it all good.. .

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  suavojr In my search for the truth and the burning desire to become free from all forms of dogma and wishful thinking. I have approached my first crossroads in my life, should I continue to believe in a God or not?

  The reason for your uncertainty regarding god, is that there is not a shred of evidence that such a being exists. The fact that millions of people cling to the hope that such a being exists is sad. Their hope is evidence only of mass delusion. If a being almighty enough to create the universe existed, you would not be asking.

  If you have to ask whether you should continue to believe in god or not, you have answered your own question. You know with certainty that you exist; that president Barack Obama exists; that animals exist. You know that Elvis Presley did but doesn't now. Just use the same power of reasoning to confirm the existence anything else.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  snare&racket Your posts have been educational, your logic faultless, you passion and energy inspiring.

  You have stated your reason for leaving and I will miss you. Thanks.

  All the very best.

  Glad
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Simon gets a prize, cos on this site he is god. He has power over our continued forum existence and does take action when required. And that’s as close to heaven as we’ll ever be.

  Unfortunately this debate has been derailed by Flamegrilled’s philosophical approach to the subject. We were discussing reality verses myth and fabrication. The reality is that the conceptual god did not act to save 250,000 live in the tsunami. This is easily explained; such a god does not exist.

  The theory, that if such a god does exist, he may have knowledge that we don't, so therefore we are impotent and unable to arrive at a moral conclusion, is all supposition. First we need to establish that such a being exists. Having done that, we can analyze why he does nothing.

  Until I have proof to the contrary I am bound to reality. God is a trick of the mind. So, the concept of an all knowing god can only be sustained by further tricks of the mind. I’ve done a few mental summersaults in my time, but have moved on. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  By jove, I think I’ve cracked the mystery as to why god is so unfathomable.

  God is a woman!